Dustin Finamore by fin_nolimit

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made by fin_nolimit for LD35 (JAM)
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You are a shape-shifting (errr... more like stretching) Swedish Fish just trying to get some pizza! The goal of the level is to collect 12 pizzas! You have to try and avoid Eye Twitching Eddy and few different spikes! Use the arrow keys to change directions. Some blocks allow you to STOP stretching while others don't. Once you pass a checkpoint, you can press that number on your keyboard to go back there at anytime.

My daughter Jasmine Finamore (10 years old) drew all the graphics while I did the coding. This was my first Ludum Dare!!!!!! What a ride it has been. Thank you so much for checking out our game!

***POST JAM Fixes... fixed glitch with music and added a tutorial

HTML5
Web
gamemaker
game maker

Ratings

Coolness 100% 1
Overall(Jam) 2.97 794
Audio(Jam) 2.84 539
Fun(Jam) 2.95 682
Graphics(Jam) 3.10 678
Humor(Jam) 3.13 235
Innovation(Jam) 2.93 650
Mood(Jam) 2.88 711
Theme(Jam) 2.89 841

Feedback

olkeencole
19. Apr 2016 · 03:35 UTC
I enjoyed the art and simple mechanics. The sound gets a bit annoying after awhile tho. Quite fun!
🎤 fin_nolimit
19. Apr 2016 · 03:35 UTC
The web version has a slight glitch/lag when you hit the checkpoints. If you're okay with that then the Web version is your choice... otherwise, download the Windows version for the best game play!!! :)
PeachTreeOath
19. Apr 2016 · 03:37 UTC
Haha this is pretty trippy. That's a shapeshift alright.
🎤 fin_nolimit
19. Apr 2016 · 03:37 UTC
@olkeencole Thanks!! Yeah, I ran out of time and could not decide what what music to put with it. I was trying to clip the song but I could't do it in time :( Thanks again for the feedback!
🎤 fin_nolimit
19. Apr 2016 · 03:38 UTC
Thanks PeachTreeOath! My ten year old did all the art work!! I'm a crazy proud pops over here!! :)
AngerFork
19. Apr 2016 · 04:06 UTC
Fun game, well done! Love that you got your daughter involved as well, super cool!
norseware
19. Apr 2016 · 04:13 UTC
Simple, I liked it! Nice pixel art for a 10 year old too - It's nice that you included your daughter. The sound effects felt out of place at first, but they grew on me. Nice job :)
🎤 fin_nolimit
19. Apr 2016 · 04:32 UTC
Thanks AngerFork! Yeah we had some really good moments. She said she was really anxious when she went to school today because she was not sure I would finish it. I had to rush on the sound... should not have waited until the last minute on sound!!
🎤 fin_nolimit
19. Apr 2016 · 04:32 UTC
Thanks norseware! I WISH I could redo the music! I had to rush on the sound because i was running out of time. I appreciate your kind words though
Tater_hater
19. Apr 2016 · 05:31 UTC
That sounds like a lot of fun making a game with your kid! It turned out pretty good!
🎤 fin_nolimit
19. Apr 2016 · 05:39 UTC
Thanks Tater_hater! It was a blast! I'm exhausted now though. lol
stefvanschie
19. Apr 2016 · 06:37 UTC
This is quite challenging, I like that.
Redpillgamedev
19. Apr 2016 · 06:37 UTC
O got a little addicted on it! But i think it should be easier to dodge some obstacles! The song is a little loud and i couldn't notice the sound FX. Overall...is a nice game! It reminds me neon cat! =O
KhaoTom
19. Apr 2016 · 07:19 UTC
Surprisingly difficult. A lot of charming artwork. The audio is trippy. I like it.
Munchy2007
19. Apr 2016 · 16:03 UTC
Fun game, and good job with the graphics.
tentacode
19. Apr 2016 · 16:49 UTC
Dat acid trip XD

Fun moment anyway! A bit laggy on some particle effect but good job !
gglyptodon
19. Apr 2016 · 19:30 UTC
wow...that was an experience...
:D
Larzan
19. Apr 2016 · 21:30 UTC
I love the idea and the gfx and mood, reminded me of the 'Monty Python Flying circus' game (which i loved).
Really lovely implemented, top!
Brilliant.
Some problems with the particles (almost froze the screen) and checkpoint arrival.
🎤 fin_nolimit
19. Apr 2016 · 22:45 UTC
Thanks Larzan for your kind words. The windows version has no glitches like that and I'm reading up on HTML5 so I can fix the sound checkpoint problem. Thanks again for checking out my game. You rock
GaryS
20. Apr 2016 · 23:55 UTC
This was pretty fun... loved the crazy graphics and it's a pretty unique mechanic - hitting the blocks to stop stretching before an enemy gets you. Cool.
I couldn't figure out how to get past the teleport blocks on section 3 though. :(
🎤 fin_nolimit
21. Apr 2016 · 00:28 UTC
Lol yeah the portals were fun to make!!! ****HINT**** THERE ARE TWO PORTALS on the bottom that take you somewhere. One good and one bad... :) thanks for playing our game and for your kind words. I'm going to check your game out right now
Persimonn Pomelo
21. Apr 2016 · 02:17 UTC
Love the colorful landscape and vocals. Great job.
fenwick
21. Apr 2016 · 02:33 UTC
This is so cute and it's so awesome that you worked on this with your daughter. Her artwork was great. Fun too.
🎤 fin_nolimit
21. Apr 2016 · 03:06 UTC
Thank you so much Persimonn and Fenwick! Yeah, working with my daughter on such a massive project was really amazing. It was funny too because she had so many bizarre ideas in the beginning (we planned it all out on paper the first 3 1/2 hours) and I kept throwing those out... and then said this one and I was hooked!! So we went with it!!!
Broxxar
21. Apr 2016 · 03:42 UTC
Thanks for sharing on stream! A lot of fun! But damn those Shurikens.
🎤 fin_nolimit
21. Apr 2016 · 04:00 UTC
hahah.. You guys are super cool!! I was nervous watching someone else play a game that my daughter and I spent three days and almost no sleep making!! lol but it was cool that you guys did that
HoldMeImScared
21. Apr 2016 · 08:53 UTC
The artwork is adorable, props to your daughter :)

I struggled to get past the moving enemies as they'd hit my tail and kill me, but it's okay because every instance of "Sugar Explosion" made me giggle.

Congrats on your first LD, and definitely keep doing this together :)
seitnerk
21. Apr 2016 · 10:51 UTC
Your daughter did a good job! Nice little game! ;)
🎤 fin_nolimit
21. Apr 2016 · 13:00 UTC
Thanks Seitnerk!!! I just checked out your dog&cat game and I was blown away!!! Fantastic job!!
psychomonster
21. Apr 2016 · 13:59 UTC
You and your daughter made a good job. Nice idea to involve the family to such a project. The pixels are very cute und colorful . Nice ... hope she will participate the next ld again! It is very challenging too... I enjoyed to play this!
Aurel Bílý
21. Apr 2016 · 15:09 UTC
It's an okay entry, but it's really too buggy (at least the web build is). Phasing through walls, not teleporting, etc. Also it feels pretty unfair and tedious to reset all the pizza slices every time you die. But it's good you've enjoyed the jam!
Arvydas
21. Apr 2016 · 15:25 UTC
The game mechanics are really clever and innovative,but they could have been implemented better, overall a nice game, good job!
Oliver_MB
21. Apr 2016 · 15:37 UTC
Amazing! Awesome graphics and crazy audio. Good job! :)
🎤 fin_nolimit
21. Apr 2016 · 15:50 UTC
Thanks Oliver!!! I'm headed out to your game right now!
🎤 fin_nolimit
21. Apr 2016 · 15:51 UTC
I appreciate the feedback Arvy and Aurel. This was my fist entry and there are so many things I need to change but all in all it was an incredible experience
Weeping Rupee
21. Apr 2016 · 18:56 UTC
This game is a mad man's dream.

I have two kids myself and I wonder what crazy sprites they'd come up with...

Nice work!
🎤 fin_nolimit
21. Apr 2016 · 19:04 UTC
Yeah that was the hardest part... letting her design the game on a white board!!! Lol its funny what kids can come up with!!! Thanks for playing!!!! I'll head out to your game check it out too
Hempuli
21. Apr 2016 · 21:23 UTC
Amazing! I loved the "YUMM-M" sound effect and after some initial confusion the game mechanic itself was really solid and interesting. I'd love to see a larger game made with this mechanic!
🎤 fin_nolimit
21. Apr 2016 · 21:50 UTC
Thanks Hempuli!!! I'm going to head over to your game and check it out. My daughter and I have talked about possibly making this into a "real" game but I guess that just depends on the interest over the next two weeks. We are currently working on a huge project (have been for months now) so this has been a fun break from that!!! :)
Klaas
21. Apr 2016 · 23:03 UTC
Yum! I love this game! It really makes me smile! Initially I wasn't sure how I was meant to get past the spinning dudes, so I died a few times, but I managed to figure it out! You and your daughter did a great job!
🎤 fin_nolimit
22. Apr 2016 · 02:34 UTC
Thanks Klaas!!!! yeah, I really think I need to have like a quick five second tutorial at the beginning that goes away after your first turn. Thanks for your very kind words!!
Chaserbrown
22. Apr 2016 · 04:54 UTC
Good job! It was a bit confusing at first, but I enjoyed it once I understood! :)
StaNov
22. Apr 2016 · 06:20 UTC
I liked it :) Little challenging, but not too hard. Nice graphics!

The controls are a bit confusing though... Sometimes the arrow key don't change the direction. And some initial hint about what blocks cause grow-stop would be appreciated.

Thanks for making this :)
pyokoanarogue
22. Apr 2016 · 21:25 UTC
very sweet !
AnaGF
22. Apr 2016 · 22:58 UTC
Sound maybe repetitive, but good game overall. Mechanics are original! And graphics are good too. Congratz to the little developer :)
🎤 fin_nolimit
22. Apr 2016 · 23:00 UTC
Thanks AnaGF!!! I'm headed over to your game right now! :)
sararyCow
22. Apr 2016 · 23:50 UTC
Challenging game, it's a shame it only has one level. I love Jasmine art, she is quite talented :).
theOnlyGoodDrcz
22. Apr 2016 · 23:55 UTC
really nice graphics, Jasmine rocks! the tune is trippy, as well as levels design; the controls are smooth, but sometimes I wasn't able to shrink by hitting the floor... anyway a nice game, would like to see more levels.
🎤 fin_nolimit
22. Apr 2016 · 23:59 UTC
Lol yeah only the texture blocks will let you shrink (by design to add the challenge) but man I almost ran out of time!! Haha I wanted more levels for sure but just ran out of time. Thank you both for playing our game and for your kind words!! I'll head out to play your game right now
cakeknuckles
23. Apr 2016 · 00:46 UTC
that was a pretty cute, kinda psychedelic little game! also the voice clips caught me pretty off guard, but it was very unique in that way. tell your daughter i think you guys did a great job!! :)
🎤 fin_nolimit
23. Apr 2016 · 00:50 UTC
Thanks Cakeknuckles!!!! She is sitting next to me reading your comment right now! We are headed over to your game! Thanks again for your kind words!
dcRfj15
23. Apr 2016 · 01:51 UTC
"Sugar Explosion" - I like that, it is definitely a unique lose phrase :P. The game mechanics were interesting. I liked the fish growing ability, it reminded me of snake a little. It was hard to get past the enemies but I managed to do it after a couple tries. I liked that your game had checkpoints.
The music is pretty good, however, it feels a little out of place compared to the rest of the game's elements. Also, at the beginning, the second group of background text is hard to read unless the player stops moving. Maybe it would be nice if you showed that text in the first area, so that the player can read it before they start moving.
Well done! Glad to see that you made this a family activity!
🎤 fin_nolimit
23. Apr 2016 · 01:59 UTC
@dcRfj15 Thank you so much for the AWESOME feedback!! Yeah, I think I'm going to do a post-jam game where it has a 60 second tutorial showing what the blocks do and how to move. Thanks again for playing, voting, and commenting! I'm headed over to your game right now!
uvwar
23. Apr 2016 · 03:41 UTC
Amazing art and sound effects! The color switching block mechanic threw me for a second, but I eventually figured out what I was doing. Cool game!
🎤 fin_nolimit
23. Apr 2016 · 04:01 UTC
Thanks for your kind words Uvwar!!!! I'll head over to your game right now! :)
PowerSpark
23. Apr 2016 · 04:05 UTC
Neat mechanics.
🎤 fin_nolimit
23. Apr 2016 · 04:27 UTC
Thanks PowerSpark!!!! I'm headed your way right now! :)
Ironhead
23. Apr 2016 · 04:56 UTC
Well done! A bit different from the norm. Music set a good mood and the great artwork tied it together.
tmpxyz
23. Apr 2016 · 05:22 UTC
Lovely graphics!
KairosXIII
23. Apr 2016 · 08:13 UTC
Nice take on the theme. Love the art, your kid is pro. Try using this link to embed Itch.io to the Ludumdare site: https://itch.io/game/upload-embed/63293
DSSiege11
23. Apr 2016 · 09:59 UTC
Very fun little game :D Really cool you made this together with your daughter! The sound effects were also really funny ;) Good job, both of you!
datadazer
23. Apr 2016 · 15:05 UTC
This game was SO much fun! I loved every minute of it! The "Sugar rush" and "Yum" sfx were fun. The art and theme were very unique, fun, and instantly brought me joy.

The mechanics and level design were awesome and was a good challenge to keep me engaged!

The only improvement I would work on next time is the music only because it gets a little repetitive.

Overall excellent and fun game! :)
You should be proud of that daughter of yours!
🎤 fin_nolimit
23. Apr 2016 · 16:06 UTC
Thanks Datadazer!!! I really appreciate your kind words!! I read your comment to Jasmine... I'm digging all this encouragement! I see you also made your game in Game Maker!! I headed over there now to make a comment!
Andreas Brandt
23. Apr 2016 · 16:26 UTC
SUGAR EXPLOSION! random piece of game, nice mechanics, like it (Y)
🎤 fin_nolimit
23. Apr 2016 · 16:26 UTC
haha!!! Thanks Andreas!!! I'll head over to your game now!
JuDelCo
23. Apr 2016 · 17:41 UTC
Good graphics for your daughter ! And original idea :P
🎤 fin_nolimit
23. Apr 2016 · 18:07 UTC
Thanks JuDelCo!!! I'm headed your way right now!!
Aaranos
23. Apr 2016 · 18:52 UTC
Decent game. I wasn't sure if the pizza collection was optional at first so I had to backtrack.
Riftpoint
23. Apr 2016 · 20:50 UTC
Very cool game! The gameplay mechanic is innovative and creative. Really enjoyed playing it!
iceburg7
23. Apr 2016 · 21:08 UTC
Amazing! The audio is perfect!
SonnyBone
23. Apr 2016 · 21:12 UTC
SO COOL!!! It must be awesome getting your kid involved. Welcome to Ludum Dare! Please participate again!
🎤 fin_nolimit
23. Apr 2016 · 21:13 UTC
Thank you so much SonnyBone!!! I'm already looking forward to August!!! I'm headed over to your game right now
🎤 fin_nolimit
23. Apr 2016 · 21:14 UTC
At SonnyBone!!! It says you don't have a game :( let me know if you worked on a team and it is on a different name!
Rafos Games
23. Apr 2016 · 23:26 UTC
good work both =) I hope you continue to make funny games with your daughter =D
TheMeorch
23. Apr 2016 · 23:39 UTC
Congrats on your and your daughter's first Ludum Dare! My favorite aspect of the game is avoiding moving enemies while your fish keeps stretching out. The bright artwork is great! I hope both of you will continue to make game together!
🎤 fin_nolimit
24. Apr 2016 · 00:13 UTC
@RafosGames and @TheMeorch Thank you both for your kind words!!! We are excited to continue on this game development adventure!! I'll head over to both your games!!
Fabraz
24. Apr 2016 · 00:39 UTC
What a crazy... Narrative. xD
Hyden
24. Apr 2016 · 17:21 UTC
Great little game you've got here :D
Alphish
24. Apr 2016 · 18:09 UTC
Pfffthaha, that was fun in a weirdly charming way! It took me a while to understand how exactly the Swedish Fish works (at first I thought it's more like snake, then it turned out not quite so, and it can cross over its trail, too), but then it was kinda fun experience. I wasn't too fond of the portals, though, especially since they had that weird mechanics when they sometimes worked and sometimes didn't. ^^'

Also, gotta love "Sugar explosion" sound effects; especially since I looked up Swedish Fish. Audio in general was fine; I didn't find the music too annoying, either. Graphics aren't really top-notch, but they have some variety and for a 10-years old they look promising.

(oh, and a technical note: the text box in tutorial seems to be above the Swedish Fish, i.e. when Fish enters its area, it becomes invisible; since you're using GameMaker, perhaps you could have set Fish's depth to lower value in the object settings?)

It might not be the most polished game out there, but it's adorable in its own way. Keep improving. ;)
🎤 fin_nolimit
24. Apr 2016 · 18:15 UTC
@Fabraz & @Hyden Thank you for playing my game and commenting!!!

@Alphish, Thank you so much for the feedback. I had the depth changed on the tutorial but once the fish went in front of it then you could not see the words anymore... it was a tough choice!! :) Thanks again for your feedback and for playing my game!!
knason
24. Apr 2016 · 19:03 UTC
I enjoyed playing this game. I loved the graphics! Congrats to you and your daughter! Well done!
psychonull
24. Apr 2016 · 20:12 UTC
haha awesome game!
Kuupu
24. Apr 2016 · 22:54 UTC
Thanks for the comment!

I'm really glad it makes you happy! :)

Didn't had the time to play the LD game yet, but yours is on the list now! :D
Shatter Point Studios
24. Apr 2016 · 23:21 UTC
It's awesome that you and your daughter teamed up to make this! I really like the concept, it's pretty fun and reminds me of the classic "Snake". I like the graphics, and the sounds made me laugh.
Odyssey
25. Apr 2016 · 00:32 UTC
Loved it! A lot more difficult than I thought it would be. Tell your daughter she did great on the art
SHLFStudios
25. Apr 2016 · 01:13 UTC
This was a fun game! good concept.
LukeZaz
25. Apr 2016 · 01:14 UTC
Interesting game. Some mechanics were a little confusing at first - I initially thought I was moving on a grid and that like Snake I'd die if I touched a part I'd already covered, but eventually found out that was false. In particular I really appreciated being able to go back to any checkpoint at any time, as I ended up missing one pizza and being able to snap back to the area it was in was very convenient and helpful.
🎤 fin_nolimit
25. Apr 2016 · 01:17 UTC
Thanks LukeZaz for the stream, review, and comment!!!
Adipson
25. Apr 2016 · 06:21 UTC
colored and fun ! nice joob !
talgautb
25. Apr 2016 · 07:51 UTC
cool, i like it
avocadojoe
25. Apr 2016 · 14:48 UTC
nice game.
pixelpotions
25. Apr 2016 · 16:26 UTC
Cool game! Reminded me a lot of Silly Sausage!
Specially loved the idea and the rad audio! Congrats!
🎤 fin_nolimit
25. Apr 2016 · 16:31 UTC
Thanks Pixelpotions!! There was so much more that I wanted to do but just ran out of time!!! I appreciate your feedback!!
SantiHisteria
25. Apr 2016 · 17:50 UTC
The snake's evolution!! :D I like the mechanic and the music, but it's very similar to the original snake game. Good work.
DevelopTech
25. Apr 2016 · 18:19 UTC
Great work both!
domrein
25. Apr 2016 · 20:05 UTC
Playing this game for more than 10 minutes will make your brain explode. I think I beat the game? The screen just stopped scrolling. I really like how mind bending everything is.
🎤 fin_nolimit
25. Apr 2016 · 20:13 UTC
lol Yeah, the embed version does not fit the screen so it looks like it stopped scrolling but there is a wall there. You win when you get all 12 pizzas. Then you go to the next room!!! :) Thank you so much for playing!!!
Xanjos
25. Apr 2016 · 20:27 UTC
I loved how you got your 10 year old to do the graphics and the game overall was pretty fun and interesting to play (I enjoyed the Snake-like mechanics).
Black Horn Studios
26. Apr 2016 · 21:40 UTC
Nice and funny game. at the begining I didn´t get the concept but in less than a minute I was enjoying the game. I repeat : very nice, congrats.
CMLSC
26. Apr 2016 · 22:14 UTC
Very innovative, but I feel like it could have used more sound effects.
🎤 fin_nolimit
26. Apr 2016 · 22:17 UTC
Thank you guys for the feedback!! I agree 100% on the sound effects! I have my white board on the wall with all the things I wanted to do with the game while I was coding it... right now the only boxes not checked are all the SFX boxes!!! I just ran out of time! Thanks again for playing!!!!
Omiya Games
27. Apr 2016 · 03:54 UTC
I feel the game mechanic itself is solid, and workable. I do admit, however, that the implementation needs a bit of work. Personally, I had a lot of situations where certain arrow keys would not function. This created a lot of scenarios where I was frustrated for the controls not working while running right into a hazard.

Also, personally, I think the graphics is rather flashy and distracting. I would like to focus more on the stage, hazards, and the Swedish fish, and less so on the background candy canes, purple vapors, and foreground lollipops. It doesn't help that the fish covers the text, either.
RyanNielson
28. Apr 2016 · 22:01 UTC
Nice work overall, congratulations to you and your daughter. The music was a bit repetitive, but the idea was pretty decent and could be expanded upon.
Rock Eaters
28. Apr 2016 · 22:35 UTC
didn't manage to finish the 4th checkpoint zone. Nice ideas
TheMightyTeam
29. Apr 2016 · 08:53 UTC
I like this reinvented snake. Congrats!
plko
29. Apr 2016 · 13:39 UTC
\Sugar Explosion/ \Sugar Explosion/ \Sugar Explosion/
I love this SE!!!!
🎤 fin_nolimit
29. Apr 2016 · 15:03 UTC
Lol Plko!!! Thanks for reviewing my game and commenting
thebrainfuse
30. Apr 2016 · 05:44 UTC
Really enjoyed playing the levels... and great idea getting your daughter involved!
Frozen Fractal
01. May 2016 · 09:48 UTC
Very cute, very random :) Love the SUGAR EXPLOSION.
nihilaleph
01. May 2016 · 14:47 UTC
This game was a SUGAR EXPLOSION! Kkkk Nice work Jasmine! Lovely graphics! Audio was great too xp Simple but fun! Though a bit confusing without the tutorial xp Anyway great work!
🎤 fin_nolimit
02. May 2016 · 02:10 UTC
Thanks thebrainfuse!!! Also, thanks for making a cardboard game! I've never used Unity before but now that I have a Google Cardboard, I might have to give it a shot
emmelineprufrock
02. May 2016 · 02:34 UTC
Super adorable! Love the art and the sound effects.
OnlySlightly
02. May 2016 · 02:35 UTC
Super cute! I loved the aesthetic. It was sweet and cute. I enjoyed the fun 'yum' and 'sugar explosion' noises. And also Swedish Fish is my favorite candy so you already got points for that. Some clever puzzles in there too. Great job!
🎤 fin_nolimit
02. May 2016 · 02:38 UTC
Thanks so much for the kind words!!!! I really enjoyed watching you guys play the game on stream!!!
terryg
02. May 2016 · 04:09 UTC
Nice take on the theme. The artwork is adorable. Fun snake game. I haven't seen anything like it. That's part of why I like the ludum dare is that you can experiment with different mechanics. Great job.
TheCain
04. May 2016 · 00:21 UTC
I liked it. It reminded me of the Nitrome game "Silly Sausage"
dcolgan
04. May 2016 · 22:54 UTC
This works. Using textured blocks is a surprisingly tricky technique that I just was not getting the hang of. I like the use of it though and makes for deceptively difficult puzzles. It should have been easy, but thanks to years of moving right on a screen and not looking back I kept messing up.
🎤 fin_nolimit
04. May 2016 · 23:33 UTC
Lol thanks for the feedback dcolgan!!! I've watched over a dozen people play my game on stream and most of them had trouble initially getting the textured block puzzle. I'm glad you got it at the end and enjoyed the game. Thanks for the feedback
ployer
05. May 2016 · 14:57 UTC
interesting take on the snake genre
silkworm_sweatshop
06. May 2016 · 21:30 UTC
Haha reminded me of pizza worm
Kuupu
08. May 2016 · 19:18 UTC
Cool game!

I think you can work with less colors on screen at the same time, it really hurts the eyes! hehehe

Nice entry!
sftrabbit
09. May 2016 · 09:53 UTC
Nice game, I enjoyed it, but I've definitely played it before (Silly Sausage!). Really great art (especially for a 10 year old)! Well done.
efonsecab
28. Oct 2016 · 20:52 UTC
I was exploring around the previous versions of Ludum Dare and I found this game. I like it, it's fun and challenging.